> "crime bad, crime down here, therefore I don't need to refute what you said"

You're literally making up entire sentences, are you OK?

> The original poster said:

>> The guy that committed that murder wasn't going to be deterred by a ticket fee.

> I don't see how lower crime on BART...

Maybe you didn't read the link, but it's a 67% reduction in crimes against _riders_. Not property, not soliciting, but crimes against other humans.

The murderer in question was unemployed, homeless and aimlessly riding public transit. We (as a society) should have done a lot more for him, but (see stats above) it seems clear to me that making it easier to be in a confined space with the rest of society wasn't solving his problems and certainly didn't help her.