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stalfie • yesterday at 5:42 PM • 7 replies • view on HN

Well, in the publication they claim to have identified specific cybersecurity post training tasks that nerfed capabilities when they removed them, which seems like a reasonable methodology.

Seeing as no one besides blackhats want frontier cybercrime capability to be open source, this seems like a very sensible thing to do.

So they have published a reasonable means, and they have a motive. I'd put my money on "probably true".


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InsideOutSanta • yesterday at 6:17 PM

> Seeing as no one besides blackhats want frontier cybercrime capability to be open source

Sure. The problem is that there is no practical difference between "cybercrime capability" and "cybercrime defense capability."

All of my PRs go through an adversarial security review by GLM-5.3, because it's the only smart-enough model with a good understanding of cybersecurity issues that won't regularly refuse the job. Removing that ability from frontier models helps nobody except cyber criminals.

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ApolloFortyNine • yesterday at 5:49 PM

The problem is, as anyone trying to address security concerns in claude can attest to, the guardrails trigger even when trying to address real bugs. Good cyber defense requires an understanding of the offense.

How you avoid the "fix my code" attack, the code being someone else's code, I do not know. But nerfing the model doesn't seem like the best path forward either.

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tkz1312 • yesterday at 7:31 PM

I am a defender, and I really really want to have access to high quality models that are good at finding vulns and hacking. Leaving them in the hands only of government agencies and orgs with enough resources to do extensive training / fine tuning seems like the absolute worst possible case for the future security of global software systems.

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ben_plotke • yesterday at 6:20 PM

> Seeing as no one besides blackhats want frontier cybercrime capability to be open source

I'm not interested in black hat anything, but I am very invested in making sure the products I work on are not compromised. Given that state agencies have "frontier cybercrime capability", I would like to have the same.

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LtdJorge • yesterday at 6:16 PM

It would also be very sensible to offer a BlackHat Pro version to national officials, for them.

CBLT • yesterday at 5:54 PM

Please don't change "cybersecurity" to "cybercrime" from one sentence to the next as a rhetorical flourish. It comes off as disingenuous and makes it harder to get your real point across.

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verdverm • yesterday at 7:59 PM

Black Forest Labs did similar with vision capabilities

https://bfl.ai/blog/capable-open-and-safe-combating-ai-misus...