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Taek • yesterday at 7:54 PM • 4 replies • view on HN

[For example, gmail suggests]

"Google shipped their" -> "Google shipped its" (I use 'their' to make it clear I'm talking about the people who build features at Google, and not merely about a faceless corporation)

"feature or whatever" -> "feature" ('or whatever' is chosen to tell everyone that I'm not actually sure what the name of the feature is, and I can't really be bothered to figure it out)

"gmail" -> "Gmail" (meh)

"I wrote, it had useful tips" -> "I wrote received useful tips" (if you remove the comma, the pacing changes, the reader doesn't linger on the word 'wrote', and you invite some ambiguity around the writing and the receiving of useful tips. I feel like this suggestion is particularly brain damaged, I simply can't understand my own writing when I make this change)

(and so on. I now write emails in notepad, and copy-paste them into Gmail when I'm done, that's how much the suggestions annoy me).


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Tanoc • yesterday at 8:29 PM

Pacing is extremely important in writing. The way one speaks out loud is often not the way that they actually read in their head. Speaking out loud has three parts to it in conception, translation, and vocation. Conception as to what the thought is, translation of that thought to language, and vocation of the language through visuals or sound. Reading only shares the translation portion, but also has organization added to it where you need to organize the information as you ingest it. As such, it's important to format whatever you're writing so that it can be organized first and translated second. People look at the words linearly but don't ingest the information linearly. This is a principle many literary jokes are built upon.

ChatGPT, Gemini, and whatever else do not in fact have the capability to understand that interaction between organization and translation. They process the information linearly, organize it linearly, and translate it linearly. That's what makes it so strange to read. A must lead to B which must lead to C. A cannot connect to C and then circle back to B which is connected to both A and C obliquely. It's a failure in understanding language and how it is used.

CalRobert • today at 7:23 AM

In the UK it's common to refer to companies in the plural. "Nike have announced..." etc. . I like it. It's a reminder that they are in fact companies of people, not abstract entities.

silverFork • yesterday at 8:29 PM

LOL. The trick with Ai is to write whatever you want in any which way you like and it understands it no matter how shitty it is. Good writers should avoid asking Ai for suggestions. Bad ones like me, don't bother asking anyways. Too lazy to fix it all.

Izmaki • yesterday at 8:58 PM

I learned in school (English is my 2nd language) that you can never use "their" or "they" about something inanimate like a corporation (or a chair, for example). You would use "its" or have to rephrase your sentence; "the developers at Google shipped their feature."

The suggestions are valid and correct, we (generic "we") are just used to not following proper grammar. This is how languages evolve but it is also what puts these assistance tools in a peculiar spot, because they help with accuracy, not everyday expressions.

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