alt Hacker NewsHi LiveOverflow, I'm Elias and you made a video reply to my blog post. Why did you delete my comment on your video? (EDIT: Youtube fucked with my comment, not LiveOverflow! Editing to put this at the top of the thread so that it is read)
Your second exploit that you slopped out - after someone pointed out your first exploit depended on reading the container's memory via `/proc/pid/..` - also depends on an extremely contrived thing outside of a lab.
To get around the fact that you need to hit the same php worker over and over again (this is another way the LLMs were stacking the deck in their exploits; so many of the exploits online had php running with one worker - which is an unbelievably unrealistic precondition. That, and with ASLR off, lol.), you hold WORKERS-1 connections open indefinitely (lol) and then need to sequentially, and stably, hit the same php worker for 10-30 seconds.
Of course, luck is not a security boundary, everyone should still patch their servers.
But how is it a realistic precondition to have a server in which you are the *only* person making requests for 30 straight seconds? Even a single googlebot pinging the website would fuck your heap grooming up, let alone regular users, or another person trying the exploit out! Similarly, Holding WORKERS-1 connections open indefinitely so that you can isolate one php worker is extremely unrealistic in practice.
Yes. this is a vulnerability, it is bad. No, it is not easy to replicate in real world conditions. The LLM gets you an "exploit" locally. How on earth did you not extrapolate from the LLM decieving you the first time, and think for some reason the second time the conditions were 100% truthful? Did you even read the stdout from the exploit you wrote?
I really like your work man, you're a great inspiration, but what the fuck are you doing? And why delete my comment pointing this out?
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All the "working" php2shell exploits on GitHub and X are like that. There are ZERO publicly available RCE exploits for php2shell that actually work remotely on production deployments. All of these RCE PoCs are local and rely on unrealistic setups because LLMs couldn't achieve RCE without resorting to reward hacking.
I am not deleting any comments ever. I just checked, YouTube held your comment as "likely spam". I accepted it now and pinned it, I always appreciate it when sb is reaching out with a reasonable comment!
It is an absolutely slopped exploit, hahaha, I fully agree. But that was exactly my point. Memory corruption exploits over the internet have been historically extremely difficult. And it took many days of building a PoC. And this is clearly different now. And of course there are a lot of practical challenges, but that does not make it unrealistic vulnerability to exploit.
> But how is it a realistic precondition to have a server in which you are the only person making requests for 30 straight seconds?
I think it's VERY realistic. My random blog from 2023 https://raisistance.com has hours or days without requests. I think a majority of (old) PHP sites barely anybody visits. And there are tons of random company or government website without any requests at night or so. Also depending on the setup, there ar methods to deal with concurrent traffic. For example Apache (see here: https://x.com/LiveOverflow/status/2113555517339480284).
I think it's clear so far that it's not mass-exploitation material. But once you are more targeted and have a random LAMP stack, it becomes very realistic.
Would you setup a random vulnerable php version from Docker image like `php:8.5.11-apache` on a server, put a flag there, and give me the IP? For me this is a realistic setup and it's fairly easy to exploit.