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edot • yesterday at 2:41 PM • 11 replies • view on HN

"Wyden has also warned about a classified interpretation of Section 702 that he says multiple administrations have relied on and refused to declassify. “When it is eventually declassified,” he said in March, “the American people are going to be stunned that it took so long and that Congress had been debating this authority with insufficient information.”"

Spying on American citizens is a bipartisan point of agreement.


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Matl • yesterday at 5:26 PM

Can please someone explain the concept of a 'classified interpretation' [of law] to me like I'm 5? I know the concept exists, but I don't really understand how it can be in any way justified in any country that's even pretending to be a democracy?

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JumpCrisscross • yesterday at 4:35 PM

> Spying on American citizens is a bipartisan point of agreement

Has been. Make it a priority in primaries. It hasn’t been to date—the overlap of privacy concerned Americans and the lazy and nihilistic who reject the political process is almost a union.

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segmondy • yesterday at 5:13 PM

It will never get declassified. Never. The people get weaker and more passive with time, the govt gets stronger and reckless and less accountable.

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koops • yesterday at 3:07 PM

To be fair, the one raising this point, Wyden, is a Democrat.

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anigbrowl • today at 5:31 AM

I mean he has Congressional privilege, he literally cannot be touched for reading anything he wants into the Congressional record. I wonder why more lawmakers talk about things instead of just revealing The Thing and leaning on their special rights as elected legislators.

nielsbot • today at 4:13 AM

what happens if he just tells us what it is?

awesome_dude • today at 1:28 AM

> Spying on American citizens is a bipartisan point of agreement.

Not an American, but I can totally understand the need of governments to spy on its citizens that it has EVIDENCE of being involved in behaviour or activities that threaten the nation.

For example - if it had evidence that certain citizens were involved in espionage of their country, and they were thus passing on serious information to actors or other states that were intent on using that information to harm the nation, I would most definitely want those citizens to be spied upon.

Such evidence could be: Engaging in, or communicating with, known extremist organisations or forums known to be frequented by such individuals.

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bparsons • yesterday at 8:11 PM

Gonna take a wild guess that this has to do with the purchase of privately (and lawfully) collected bulk data for the purposes of mass surveillance. Who needs PRISM or xKeyscore when people willingly purchase TVs and install weather apps that spy on them 24/7? The open legal question has been whether the government is free to do whatever it wants with the data it purchases.

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podgorniy • yesterday at 3:16 PM

Spying on American citizens and going together on Lolita Express to Epstein island...

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Larrikin • yesterday at 3:17 PM

I love the both siding argument springing up right before election day.

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