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bigwheels • yesterday at 5:22 PM • 6 replies • view on HN

> With 16GB of unified memory standard, configurable up to 32GB, and higher memory bandwidth up to 170GB/s

Apple MacBook M5 Max has bandwidth up to 600GB/s, is 170GB/s for M6 the real limit? If so, wouldn't this slow down LLM processing?


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Choco31415 • yesterday at 5:24 PM

There are rumors that Apple is not releasing Pro/Max versions of the M6 with the intention of focusing these research efforts on the M7 instead.

Even then, 170GB/s is a bump up from 153GB/s of the M5. So we see a 11% uplift already.

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hbn • yesterday at 7:56 PM

Why are we comparing the M6 to the M5 Max?

What was the speed of the base M5?

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gaoshan • yesterday at 7:35 PM

If you want to do anything beyond getting a small single-core speed bump the M5 Pro is a better, more capable purchase. At least until the M7 comes out.

epistasis • yesterday at 5:28 PM

The M6 version is also cheaper than the M5 Max by a significant amount. I wouldn't be surprised if the M6 could keep up on LLM prefill (compute bound), but the memory bandwidth means that decode is going to be a lot slower, most likely?

brandall10 • yesterday at 5:26 PM

It's a base M6 chip. The Pro doubles that, and the Max doubles again. And the Ultra doubles yet again. This is how the entire M series has always worked.

So the theoretical Max would be 680GB/s.

booty • yesterday at 7:39 PM

It's also absolutely wild that you apparently cannot spec one with more than 32GB, for any amount of money? Wow.

Not that I blame Apple here, for once. Seems like they're trying to cope with the limited quantity of RAM they can procure. And with the paltry bandwidth (170GB/s) of these CPUs they're a bad choice for anything but tiny local models anyway.

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