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taurath • yesterday at 5:32 PM • 8 replies • view on HN

We used to call those dragnets which are illegal under the 4th amendment, but the constitution only tends to apply to those with the ability to hire attorneys nowadays.


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cogman10 • yesterday at 5:39 PM

Yeah, still illegal, but because they are new they have to work their way up through the courts to be affirmed as illegal once again.

These cameras need to be banned federally. It shouldn't be legal to own or sell access to a network of these pervert cameras.

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nonethewiser • yesterday at 6:10 PM

>We used to call those dragnets which are illegal under the 4th amendment

How is surveillance related to dragnets? A dragnet being an indiscriminate stop and search of suspects that sweeps up lots of people. Police have always been able to watch people and see their license plate. It's the wide-spread stop and search with no specific suspicion that makes something a dragnet.

This plate reader surveillance network, for better or worse, is the exact opposite.

The example they lead with in the article is the police pulling over a woman who spent too much time driving in the left lane. Stupid. But targeted.

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techteach00 • yesterday at 7:15 PM

The powerful are aware of this. Forget having the money to hire an attorney, the general public wouldn't even know who to contact, what kind of attorney etc to defend them in these cases.

quantified • yesterday at 7:03 PM

Without probable cause for a crime, they need to let you go, yes?

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tarxvf • yesterday at 5:46 PM

And often, not even then.

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jon128 • yesterday at 6:18 PM

The first eight amendments of the Bill of Rights of the larger agreement (the constitution) are better enjoyed by those who can write and speak forth without relying on another man or woman (an attorney) to do so on their behalf.

Citizens of the United States, which means the entire family, most of the definitions in the link below, have a right to use the courts.

Unfortunately so many among us are functionally illiterate (unable to read and write legalize) and not educated in law so far too often this essential right goes not exercised.

The more competent attorneys can fully comprehend this comment posted here. But the uncooth among that line of business tend to not like a comment like this being posted, it's not good business for them.

Existing case law sets precedent that only those who can claim with standing as one of citizens of one of the several states, and not only a federal citizen (but also not a state citizen), have absolute and unqualified right to the first eight amendments. Some later case law extended and elaborated enjoyment of the first eight amendments to those who are only federal citizen (and not also state citizen), but didn't overturn the earlier notion that only state citizens have the absolute and unqualified right to the first eight amendments.

  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101
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linuxftw • yesterday at 5:54 PM

We could decide to fund civil rights litigation like medicaid.