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sailfast • yesterday at 10:58 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

Whatever your feelings about ICE and this administration, there are probably some undercover folks in real danger at the moment. Probably doing some real work to stop some real abuses that you’d want them to stop. (Not saying all - but likely some / many to be in that program)

So - while I might agree that secretive domestic organizations like MI5 should not exist and sunlight is good for government, I feel for the families of the folks that might catch a bullet because of this.


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chneu • yesterday at 11:15 PM

Hell nah. They signed up for this. They knew exactly what their mission was. Stop defending people who were recruited to deport, and in many cases assault, innocent people.

Making lame excuses for "the good guys" reinforces that these people are doing good. They arent.

Your excuse will be used against you as soon as it's convenient to them.

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simoncion • yesterday at 11:34 PM

> Whatever your feelings about ICE and this administration, there are probably some undercover folks in real danger at the moment.

I'll say the same thing that no one with access to a microphone said during the 2013 NSA data leaks:

What makes you think that the Bad Guys didn't already have access to this information? The folks that should have detected this clearly didn't. [0] Given that the Good Guys didn't learn about this until it was made public, neither they nor we have any idea of knowing how many Bad Guys have been siphoning off this data and for how long.

[0] In this specific incident, Okta appears to be claiming that there has been no breach despite claims that it is the source of the information. Back in 2013 -given that the NSA would often claim something that would be quickly countered by the publication of yet another leaked document- it was pretty clear that the NSA had little idea of what data had been released to the press.

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aliasxneo • yesterday at 11:57 PM

Literally had to scroll to the bottom of the thread to find any sort of sensible comment. HN is in such sad state these days. Sorry you were downvoted by the radicals.