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rocmcd • yesterday at 10:13 PM • 4 replies • view on HN

Self-awareness and consciousness would be hard to make a case for. Those terms are themselves fuzzy, but I have not heard a compelling case that would make it obvious LLMs have those traits.


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Lerc • yesterday at 11:34 PM

Picard addresses that when he asks for proof that he, himself is conscious.

It is a hard case to make, but if we can't make a compelling case for ourselves should we be requiring it to be made for others.

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keeganpoppen • yesterday at 10:34 PM

are we even sure that self-awareness and consciousness are distinct? I do agree that from the PoV of "do LLMs demonstrate/exemplify consciousness", it is a difficult case without appealing to emotion (like is done in the clip, fwiw). for me, personally, that emotional appeal is sufficient, but that is because for whatever reason I'm willing to write puts on how this LLM stuff pans out and sell them to anyone, anywhere, anytime. But that is a reaction to consensus, not to my own certitude.

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mapontosevenths • today at 12:19 AM

> Self-awareness and consciousness

I will make a case for both, after you define them in a way that doesn't also exclude many humans (including the neurodivergent or those with amnesia) or turn into self-referential nonsense like "conscious == human, therefore machine !== conscious."

In the meantime, we have a simple choice between two risks: Would you rather accidentally show kindness and empathy to a thing that may or may not have "deserved" it, or risk atrocities that will leave future generations as disgusted by you as we are of the slavers of old.

I will choose to be decent. It's free, and even if the cost were high the cost of evil is higher.

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