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bunderbunder • yesterday at 8:28 PM • 7 replies • view on HN

I’ve had code review pushback against reorganizing data structures to be more cache-friendly on the grounds that it was “premature optimization” even though I pre-emotively justified the decision with benchmark results indicating that the performance difference was large and business relevant, and addressed a real performance bottleneck that I observed during testing.

This was on a team and at a time where Clean Code was very popular. I somewhat wonder if the problem is that, in the 2010s, many people became convinced that certain aesthetic standards were both objectively, provably correct, and more important than anything else.


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hinkley • yesterday at 10:22 PM

A lot of my poor opinion on developer opinions dates back to a couple projects where Product and Marketing were begging us for substantial performance improvements and the teams pushed back saying this was as fast as you could expect. I got 2x in the first six months on both projects, and delivered 25% per quarter on one for almost 2 years (that maths to around 8x) before I started to scrape the bottom of my barrel.

It’s predominantly a way to shut down thinking, which is why it’s so often misquoted. Knuth’s version is more nuanced. Theirs is not at all.

As a compromise I got really good at doing optimizations that also improved readability. Things like hoisting and better variable naming combined together can be mistaken for just code cleanup.

I also discovered that keyhole optimizations are more palatable. Which is to say, move the slow bit yo a separate function with a single responsibility. Then do the optimization in a separate commit. Then the other devs don’t have to look at your changes and if they turn out to have a bug, we can always revert the change later. They almost never do, but having the option seems to grease the wheels.

plasticchris • yesterday at 9:09 PM

That’s just pattern matching. Most people don’t do this level of prep so they assume you didn’t either. There’s usually no ill intent, and people are maybe a little embarrassed when you point it out, but if you are tactful it’s fine.

tomjen3 • today at 9:00 AM

All types of architecture have advantages and disadvantages. Clean code might not be very cache-friendly, but it does a pretty good job of making sure you don't have to hunt in too many places to update things and It also makes it pretty simple to split things up so that you can write unit test for most everything.

This is not the right choice for everything, just as using Python is not the right choice for everything. The question to ask is: what are we trying to do in the first place? Then take it from there.

You did that by making sure the speed-up was business relevant. I'm mostly putting this out to force people to think about whether that also applies to their specific thing.

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dnautics • yesterday at 11:05 PM

> objectively

I see what you did there

Gibbon1 • yesterday at 10:11 PM

Processors I mostly write firmware for have little cache at all.

I think cache friendly code also tends to be reason about friendly and debugger friendly. None of that is remotely premature optimization.

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sick_of_slop • yesterday at 8:42 PM

Before AI, nobody has been responsible for more psychic damage against software developers than Bob Martin.

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clivedup • yesterday at 10:08 PM

There's not enough context for me (or other commenters) to really evaluate this, but every change has risk, and some projects aren't in a position to be accepting that risk.

A "real performance bottleneck that I observed during testing" is a little bit unclear whether it occurred outside of test conditions, or whether speeding up that particular bit improves anything anyone cares about.

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