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canpan • today at 12:37 AM • 5 replies • view on HN

The nice thing is that current local modes don't go away. The weights are out. Qwen 27b and deepseek are already very useful. Hardware will keep getting stronger so after the current memory crisis you can run them more cheaply.

Of course the proprietary models will continue to improve and we have no guarantee that there will be new open models. But for coding, the local models are already good enough for a vast amount of use cases, if you are an experienced developer yourself and can guide it.


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metalspot • today at 11:17 AM

You don't need bigger or better models. Current models are more than adequate for any task.

The key thing is tool use.

The model is fixed but tool use introduces new information into the system, so once you have a model that is good enough to effectively use the full suite of tools available (debug, test, profile, etc) and write code to effectively combine them and synthesize their results for a particular task, there is nothing that it can't solve.

New models are continually ingesting new information from usage, and embedding the results from people running this process back into the base model, which makes it more efficient, gets more things right the first time, etc, but there is no step gap in functional outcomes left.

Computing and programming are a limited domain with a small fixed set of constructs that can be applied in an infinite number of combinations. Nothing ever closes the gap between the ability of the model to automate the assembly of these constructs and the necessity of expert human direction to pick what system to build out of the infinite range of possible systems.

Frontier models can keep producing very expensive one-shot demos to pitch to investors but they are never going to replace engineers.

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pinyen_cheng • today at 2:05 AM

I think the future should be efficient quantization which can make model with the same level as Qwen 3.8 27b now accessible from our laptop.

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girvo • today at 3:33 AM

Its possible (though very hard to do well, and needs a fair bit of compute) to improve the local models we have, too. Continued training is possible as time goes on.

Havoc • today at 12:48 AM

>The nice thing is that current local modes don't go away.

Given pace of advance I'm not convinced this is a winning strategy. The models of today (open or not) are way smarter than those of a year ago.

...so we really do need open models to keep pace, not just be statically competitive at a given point in time

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avazhi • today at 2:42 AM

I’m all for local models and getting away from Anthropic/OAI but Qwen 27B might as well be a horse drawn carriage compared to a 2026 Porsche. Like, I guess it’s useful if you had nothing better but acting like it’s comparable to anything the frontier models have is just disingenuous.

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