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anonymous908213 • today at 4:46 AM • 7 replies • view on HN

In reality this is a non-issue because average chat conversations use 1/1000th the tokens of agentic coding usage (given they aren't reading their 1 million lines of generated code for every change), but at the same time... it should be a non-issue for OpenAI too. They talk about developing "intelligence too cheap to meter" and then go on to meter an absolutely trivial amount of usage for people already paying $100-$200 a month, embarrassing. The PR hit and psychological aversion to using ChatGPT this will instill in users will hurt them more than covering this usage could ever possibly do.

I say this working in an LLM startup where we serve literally unlimited usage (with the only caveat being that usage is serialized) via subscription and, unlike OpenAI, are actually profitable. I guess when you're hundreds of billions in the hole you're desperate to try anything to save the sinking ship, even if it clearly won't work.


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mellosouls • today at 8:11 AM

This absolutely is not a non-issue for people like me who've been getting masses of coding work against github done via Chat without affecting usage.

We use Chat precisely because of that!

It's not unreasonable for them to switch but you really should not be so dismissive, this will likely have a massive effect on many.

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kuboble • today at 10:51 AM

This is the exact reason I stopped using claude for chatting. Few times I hit the claude code limits I was unable to ask the simplest question in a chat.

throw93938383 • today at 6:08 AM

Chat can download and analyze webpages, or multi hour conversation with dosens pages to fetch. It can be pretty significant part of usage!

fy20 • today at 7:46 AM

There are various plugins to make ChatGPT queries in Codex, so you can use your allowance from there. I'm hoping this just closes that gap, and in reality it doesn't change anything.

tomjen3 • today at 9:05 AM

The major issue is going to be you ran your stuff dry with agents and now you are cut off from the chats. If instead, like 1% had been reserved, then you'd automatically be able to use the website and it would cut off people who set up skills to hack around it, which I suspect is why they're doing this.

71bw • today at 7:58 AM

Tell me more about the startup.

runjake • today at 5:19 AM

If it's a non-issue then why are they doing it?

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