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Microsoft fixes a Windows 11 annoyance as PC revenue declines

40 points • by rbanffy • yesterday at 12:58 PM • 108 comments • view on HN

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glimshe • today at 3:22 AM

The incredible thing is that Windows 10 was already near perfect. It would make sense to increase performance and security, but they changed the UI without improving an iota of user productivity, including removing key features of the product. Almost ever change in the past few years made Windows worse. Windows leadership should be fired and replaced by people who are actually Windows users, not MacOS users.

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statenjason • today at 3:48 AM

Installed Windows 11 on a VM over the weekend for running a specific program. The lengthy multi-reboot updates are just like I remember from Vista. Except now they show advertisements. Grateful 2008 was Year of the Linux Desktop for me.

mrheosuper • today at 2:26 AM

As long as they still require online account to install, nope, not for me. That's stupid requirement.

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nukanse • today at 3:06 AM

My sister gave me his win 11 laptop to fix. 1 Tb SSD was full. Half of it was windows.old folder after 26h2 update. Windows has 5 different ways to delete that folder and none works. They are all badly documented. It spends 1 hour reading the file list before starting to delete... On a 4 tb/second nvme drive. Then spend a day "deleting" the folder, but doesn't deletes anything.

Finally, booted an Linux rescue distro from USB and deleted the folder.

Then had to clean the winsxs folder, which was full of useless files after an update.

In the end I cleaned 700 gb wasted.

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jswelker • today at 2:10 AM

Way too little way too late Microsoft. After 30 years I will never choose Windows again. Got on Windows with 3.1 and off the train with 11. It's not me--it's you.

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opengrass • today at 2:37 AM

Maybe they haven't realized how convoluted their licensing system is, and as Gabe Newell says, piracy is a service issue.

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dhx • today at 2:47 AM

Trying to understand the original Windows 11 context menu diagram as someone who hasn't used Windows 11 is surprisingly difficult. By contrast, Gnome 51's context menu (or earlier versions as far back as I remember) for a file/folder are unambiguous and easy to understand.

At the top of the Windows 11 context menu are some small icons without text for high usage actions which I assume are:

1. select-for-moving (cut), perhaps Gnome's "Move to..."

2. duplicate-in-place-with-number-appended-to-duplicate-filename or select-for-copying (copy), perhaps Gnome's "Copy to..."

3. something to do with the clipboard--maybe copy contents to clipboard

4. something to do with text entry--maybe rename the file/folder, perhaps Gnome's "Rename..."

5. share via social media applications or cloud file sharing applications, or move the file/folder locally perhaps Gnome's "Move to..."

6. move to recycle bin (delete)

Menu options with text are unambiguous for "Open", "Open with", "Compress to ZIP file", "Properties", although Gnome will state "Open with {name_of_default_app}" to make it clear exactly how a file will be opened without having to guess.

I guess "Copy as path" might just copy the full filesystem path to the clipboard. I can't remember the last time I wanted to do that.

I guess "Always keep on this device" prevents the file/folder being backed up to some cloud storage provider. I'd rather open up an application dedicated to cloud storage backups and be able to review current backup options there all in one place for all types of data/files.

The "Free up space" option I'm less clear on--will a local application pop up and suggest what I can delete within the folder, will a cloud storage provider application pop up and suggest the file not be synchronised with the local device and only be kept in cloud storage, etc.

The bottom option "Show more options" is not expandable so I assume there are so many other options an entire new window is needed to display them all. Maybe it'll give me useful but rarely used options from a list of hundreds available, such as "count how many words are in this file" for text files...?

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bajard • today at 2:12 AM

Linux: Install and use. Windows: Fight 3 days with the installer. Spend 4 weeks tweaking it... And do it all again after any random update.

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eviks • today at 4:07 AM

> Users will get a “customize menu” button that controls what commands appear when they right-click their mouse

Good, though doesn't seem to be include the ability to control icons, name and accelerator keys, so still a long way to reach the user ergonomic heaven...

DaiPlusPlus • today at 2:25 AM

Meh. It's been 3 years and *gestures broadly* so much else of the Windows 11 UX still leaves much to be desired: making the context-menu slightly-less-awful isn't going to bring me back to the fold when so many other aspects of Win11 are not just unappealing, but actually off-putting.

(I maintain that Windows 11's bad UX is a consequence of MS having to make a single UI for everyone, which means it'll be too dumbed-down, simplified, or inflexible for power-users (XP, Win8, Win11); or too complicated and intimidating for everyone else (Win7, Win10), or just bad for everyone (Vista)).

If Microsoft wants me to willingly buy into Windows 12, then I want the option to keep the Windows 10 UI (File Explorer, Taskbar, Start Menu, and Window Management) - I know it can be done in theory[1], I just want proper support.

[1] https://lesferch.github.io/OldExplorer/

dataminded • today at 5:16 AM

I built a new PC because they made me abandon 10 for 11. 11 sucked enough to drive me Linux.

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esalman • today at 3:02 AM

They also finally allowed moving the taskbar to any edge of the screen.

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timcobb • today at 4:43 AM

It's a drag that products like Windows are stuck forever the way they are. Or, rather, that they're stuck the way they are but then command such market share that nothing new ever comes and sees the light of day. It's so boring that folks are so resistant to UI change. I'd be more than happy to never see the classic Windows context menu again, but others clamored for it so hard that MS brought it back.

It also seems silly to tie the decline of windows to UX discontent. Windows is in decline because it's increasingly irrelevant in the post-PC, post-USA world.

waltbosz • today at 2:36 AM

You can shift+right-click to get the old right click context menu.

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orliesaurus • today at 2:34 AM

I wonder if MacOS is also going down the drain - obviously not as fast as Windows - but I believe it doesn't feel as smooth - it feels always more bloated with every updates and I find myself having to install more and more custom little tools for everything:

- Cleaning my drive from unwanted files → One app

- Organizing files based on type → another app

- A good voice-to-text → another app

- A better launcher → another app

- An incredible terminal → another app

I mean is this the way it's supposed to be? Wasn't the whole point - unwrap the macbook, load up Mac OS and LFG?

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vachina • today at 4:59 AM

Just rerelease Windows 10 IoT LTSC as standard Windows, there fixed it.

dfedbeef • today at 3:25 AM

I assumed people would find shift+right click. It brings up the old right click menu

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CivBase • today at 2:00 AM

I'd rather a setting to go back to the old right-click menu by default. It's possible to do with a registry edit, but not from a user-friendly setting.

conception • today at 3:04 AM

Can they fix that it runs like trash on 16gb of ram? That’d be cool.

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newsclues • today at 2:19 AM

Windows 11 is a major regression.

10 was better, but I’d pay for a modern version of windows 2kpro UI. Bring back msn messsenger.

It’s basically a gaming box, everything else is on a Mac or Linux machine, all on my desk.

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speed_spread • today at 3:29 AM

I assume we still won't be able to make the task bar vertical.

vivzkestrel • today at 3:23 AM

- slghtly offtopic but also covers how to run windows 11 super duper optimally

- here is my production grade setup for agentic ai on windows 11

- setup windows 11 with Rufus boot to disable online MS account creation https://rufus.ie/en/

- [download window 11 x64 iso from here ](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11)

- then download vmware workstation pro (you ll need to create a free account to get the download link on their website)

- install vmware workstation pro

- turn internet off

- plug your pendrive in with the rufus w11 x64 iso on it (mind ya, this pen drive ll first need full formatting before burning a w11 image to it)

- press f2 to reach bios in vmware settings and make it boot from pendrive

- turn internet off on your machine (DO NOT keep it on)

- install w11 (keep a 100gb for vmware)

- without updates it ll load real fast and you wont need an MS account (rufus takes care of it)

- while it installs, download revo uninstaller pro on a separate machine https://onefiles.net/9d170d01078634b5 (latest version 5.4.x) and put it inside a second pendrive / portable hdd

- once w11 loads, it ll ask you to enter a password, keep existing password blank and enter literally anything for a new password

- voila you are done with w11 setup inside vmware

- now connect the 2nd pendrive with revo and install it (need to clean uninstall many tools, hence we need this one)

- now go to search bar and type check for updates and update everything on w11 inside vmware

- next stop get unigetui from ms app store or from here https://devolutions.net/unigetui/ (it is a package manager responsible for installing just about everything else with auto updation of all packages)

- the open unigetui and search for the following packages vlc, winrar, winhance

- winhance is the fully customizable debloater you ll need to turn off all telemetry (we ll debloat after installing all the other requirements)

- next go to ms app store and install python or open powershell and type python

- the open unigetui and search for the following packages vlc, winrar, winhance

- winhance is the fully customizable debloater you ll need to turn off all telemetry (we ll debloat after installing all the other requirements)

- next go to ms app store and install python or open powershell and type python

- mind you this installs a python version manager that lets you install and uninstall multiple python versions

- after this python version manager is setup, install a specific version of python like

``` py install 3.13 ``` - next we need a node.js version manager, use fnm for it

https://github.com/Schniz/fnm - once installed, it may need to be added to environment variables manually

- once again choose a specific version of node.js and install it using

``` fnm install 23.12.0 ``` check fnm --help for commands - next we need a java version manager, use jvms for it

https://github.com/ystyle/jvms

- pretty self explanatory

- now install git and again it ll give you some trouble over environment variables, command not recognized etc, fixable with some gpt help

- at this point, we got git, node version manager, java version manager and python version manager and are ready to rumble

- install vscode/ visual studio whatever

- install codex

- install claude

- install opencode (both cli via npx and desktop app) and check their plans out https://opencode.ai/console/go

- install ghidra , ghidra-mcp (mind you open ghidra-mcp first because it only works with specific versions of ghidra and java) this is the reason we installed a java version manager

- check out setup for rea https://github.com/morluto/rea requires npx setup for rea and ghidra both, read documentation

- run winhance, check recommended settings under optimize and every other tab and restart the vm a few times for full debloat with 0 telemetry services

- congrats you have a full blown agentic environment at this point (if I missed anything i ll come back and update)

shevy-java • today at 5:47 AM

"The timing is notable, as the announcement comes alongside Microsoft’s quarterly financial report, which showed a continued decline in the business of selling Windows licenses for new PCs."

Several factors come together. For me, Spy-Recall was the dealbreaker. I can not use an operating system that constantly reports to the USA what I am doing. But the increase in RAM prices also means that I fail to see why I should overpay now due to greedy US AI corporations. These corporations all us folks money here. It is like a racket. This is not a "free market" either, since it is so heavily skewed in favour of corporations. The whole idea about capitalism, which the USA once claimed to worship before selling out to the TechBros, has been that free market competition leads to lower prices. Right now we see collusion, a mafia - why the TechBros aren't in jail already beats me. Too much financial kickbacks into the judicial system.

jqpabc123 • yesterday at 1:10 PM

OpenAI wants all the RAM --- pushing up the price of PCs.

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gxs • today at 4:04 AM

I recently got my hands on a windows machine - I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t actually excited to use windows after a 15 year hiatus

What a heaping pile of you know what. You need Microsoft accounts to download basic apps from the App Store

You get nagged and nagged to enter a windows account

Having grown up with it, it’s an incredibly odd feeling using it. Modern ui…modern ui…modern ui…and then BAM a weird screen directly ported from windows 98 (or 2k, you get the point)

An OS that was always incredibly intuitive to me all of a sudden just felt like a disorganized mess. Want to see your Ethernet adapters? Good luck, you’ll open 10 other settings menus/search results before finally getting to the options you need. Advanced sound settings? Same

My headset wasn’t working, after clicking through a bunch of options at some point I loaded a wizard with very specific questions that I’d never seen before and wouldn’t how how to get back to, it randomly worked

Still a bunch of bloatware, still can’t be on for more than a day without having to reboot, everything I remembered that was bad with made worse by bad ux

These days they even tried to remove the option of installing windows with an internet connection, aka ms account

Just bad, there are a lot of annoyances to fix

Ygg2 • today at 2:46 AM

Between Microsoft (indirect) contributions to ongoing RAM shortages, and its frankly hostile UI, color me un-fucking-surprised.

rr808 • today at 4:30 AM

After using Windows since I was a pre-teen I finally switched to Omarchy. Its incredible having claude (or other agent) to manage all the random linux config. Its not just good enough its better than Windows in every way. (OK I dont game)