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delecti • yesterday at 5:41 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

> This is why both drivers and pedestrians hate bikers

Drivers and pedestrians hate each other too. Everyone gripes about any minor impediment to their own travel, particularly other modalities, but also their own. I mean, drivers universally complain about being "stuck in traffic", but they are traffic.


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kristjank • today at 9:38 AM

> Drivers and pedestrians hate each other too

I think there are some scales of magnitude to this issue. I also feel like you're a bit dishonest by omitting them.

I never care a lot about cars when commuting on foot, and I don't have a problem stopping for pedestrians when driving. Pedestrians are very predictable unless they're a small child running after a ball into the street or something similar. Those problems are solved with 30-zones and street planning in most settlements. Most of the time it's just looking left and right before crossing, and in case of busy crossings, waiting for someone to safely stop for you.

Most of the hate towards cyclists stems from them having the right of way while also behaving incredibly unpredictably. In the European city I live in, most cyclists signal less often than BMW drivers, which leads to a lot of ambiguity, which kills. As such, traffic education places immense responsibility onto drivers to basically track and predict every cyclist around their vehicle, such that they avoid potential accidents.

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nick_ • yesterday at 5:57 PM

Cars turn people into psychopaths. They're the only mode of transport that essentially wishes other people simply didn't exist.

unpleasurable • yesterday at 7:12 PM

Sorry I'm late, I was being traffic. Toot toot.