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advael • yesterday at 7:53 PM • 10 replies • view on HN

Category narrowing to this degree really has diluted the term "SOTA" quite a lot

You mean it's state of the art for this subset of benchmarks you're targeting? No? Well surely it's state of the art for models of a certain size category? Huh, what about models that are available for local inference? O, state of the art for open models of a certain size made in the US specifically. Uh. Neat!


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gpm • yesterday at 9:06 PM

Playing games like this also makes it very easy to accidentally say things that aren't true, like in the headline of the article...

> Introducing Ripple-65B Preview, a Frontier Open-Weight Model

It's not "frontier", it's not "frontier" even in the category of open-weight models (though usually that phrasing would mean frontier over all, and also open weight)... it's only "frontier" in the small sub-category of US made open-weight models.

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quixoticelixer- • yesterday at 10:28 PM

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yorwba • yesterday at 9:02 PM

AFAIK the currently biggest US open-weight model is Inkling, which they include in the comparison, so at least their claim is not limited to a size category. Still they score 0.42 percentage points higher than the second-best model on their chosen benchmark, so it's hardly a meaningful lead.

msy • today at 9:20 AM

It's like the Baseball World Series of Frontier models. It's SOTA in the same way Tesla are SOTA EVs - the best you're permitted to buy in the USA.

frinxor • yesterday at 8:45 PM

The US bit got me as well.

I guess it makes sense - there is a segmentation where users may want to run on domestic "frontier LLMs."

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mettamage • today at 8:08 AM

I’m SOTA on being exactly who I am.

Yep, you’re right. Quite easy to dilute the term.

visarga • yesterday at 8:08 PM

No, the term is well defined. It means being on the Pareto curve of performance vs size, such as: https://tinyurl.com/26sw35fw

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swiftcoder • yesterday at 9:14 PM

For sure, but unfortunately, there's a non-zero chance the state department at some point makes the "US" part of this mandatory for a bunch of companies.

dev_l1x_be • yesterday at 9:08 PM

State of the AI-Apocalypse.

cyanydeez • yesterday at 11:21 PM

It means ot was released recently.

It was already meaningless when US labs used it.

It means new.