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alkonaut • yesterday at 11:33 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

Can’t these detectors be used in the training loop of models?


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program_whiz • today at 11:27 AM

Also you aren't getting solid gradients, it would be a simple yes/no (or confidence score), as you don't have their model. GANs failed to generalize, even with full access to the discriminator model (providing robust gradients to all weights), its extremely difficult to train in what is basically a reinforcement learning loop over a possibly extremely spiky, nonlinear terrain.

Think of the resources it takes to train good text generators, with perfect knowledge of the next token to generate. Now imagine to trying to do it with a stochastic output of yes/no only (needing to guess proper outputs, and the signal you're getting isn't even deterministic / consistent). You don't even have the distribution over output tokens, you only have yes/no based on the tokens you did generate (a far weaker signal).

JacobAsmuth • yesterday at 11:56 PM

People have tried it, it doesn't work.

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XTXinverseXTY • today at 12:33 AM

In theory yes, but likely not economical for the slop arbitrageur

It is not a lucrative business and they are not clever people to begin with