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miki123211 • today at 9:06 AM • 6 replies • view on HN

Everybody I know who still runs their email server (you can get Europeans out of Europe, but you can't get Europe out of the Europeans) complains about Microsoft.

I bet Microsoft is single-handedly responsible for 80+% of complaints about email being impossible to host.

In a federated / pseudo-decentralized network, any provider with 10+% of captive users has an outsized leverage on the entire ecosystem. You don't need a monopoly; as long as you have a monopoly on just a few users that others absolutely need to be able to interact with, you can dictate terms to everybody.


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oggy • today at 12:20 PM

Google is no better. It's quite absurd, they even went through the trouble of creating postmaster tools to help you manage your reputation - except that these don't work unless you have fairly high sending rates (I forget, but I think several hundred a day). So essentially they're actively hostile to personal and small business servers.

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claudex • today at 9:49 AM

> I bet Microsoft is single-handedly responsible for 80+% of complaints about email being impossible to host.

They are the reason I dropped self-hosting my mails. They were silently dropping some of my mails depending on the day I sent them. If they were at least sent to the spam folder, it would be easier to communicate with their users. And since a lot of their users are not technical at all, it's complicated to explain them the issue.

icantevenhold • today at 9:20 AM

Not just email - their identity / SSO system is just as fucked

InsidiousWombat • today at 1:56 PM

more like 98%

It's absurd in every way. I was trying to get it to stop spamming maillist traffic. It's impossible. Global level filters enacted as admin to not spam check are ignored.

jeroenhd • today at 10:58 AM

Don't forget Google! Gmail will hide your email for no reason no matter what you configure on Gmail's side of things. At least Microsoft has a "please remove me from your spam lists" form (that only worked for ipv4 IP addresses last time I tried).

dwedge • today at 12:27 PM

Yahoo were annoying and I'm happy the collapsed solely because of that