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For the last 20 years of my career, I have prided myself on keeping a clean codebase, making 'art-not-science' decisions of when and what to abstract, scope boundaries, then implementing them cleanly, specifically to be easily grok'd by other developers. But after building, from scratch, and operating an (essentially) vibe coded software solution (in typically a very engineer led/low level space) over the last 9 months, I am still able to move at super-human speeds in terms of delivering features, investigating and fixing any issues (there aren't many, certainly less than most human teams I've been in) - whether that's because of AI advances or just their innate quality of being able to tackle the dross coding tasks that always got avoided by humans in my past I'm not sure but I'll stick with it until a better approach becomes apparent!
I feel my specialist skills (coding, debugging, devops) has been devalued - I can't justify holding those as my value-add proposition any more - but new skills are replacing those (context/AI/agent engineering) in equal measure.
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> have prided myself on keeping a clean codebase, making 'art-not-science' decisions of when and what to abstract, scope boundaries, then implementing them cleanly, specifically to be easily grok'd by other developers
That’s more of an artist thinking than an engineering thinking, favoriting elegance (cleanness, readability) over practicality. This was not really valuable even though you prided yourself on doing so. It’s like endlessly gushing on the design aspect of the report (the medium) instead of just providing a well-written one (the message).
Code is a medium, and being an artist about it can feel good, but the information processing mechanism (the message), is what’s important. If, after using AI, you can’t reason about the mechanism (nothing about code, files,…), you can’t essentially justify anything about what happens in the software. Meaning data given to it has a non-zero chance of giving garbage answer.
> but new skills are replacing those (context/AI/agent engineering) in equal measure
This is still highlighting surface activities, not anything pertaining to engineering.
I think I agree with all you said. But I can’t let go of a clean codebase yet. It’s stronger than me. And I’m not sure I should. Or at least not yet, not until the agent can better understand what I actually want.
And you’re right, with a bit of direction and further prompting it’s quite easy to get your code in a reasonable shape. So that is what I do now: the agent does all the work but I still whip the output in shape.
Mostly my hope is that at some point soon the agents will start writing clean code. But then again, maybe clean code for a galaxy brained agent is not the most optimal code from a all-in token efficiency perspective.