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skittleson • today at 3:25 PM • 5 replies • view on HN

Author here. This is ten years of home automation rules, led by one: nothing core should depend on a vendor's server. Setup core is Tasmota, MQTT and Node-RED on a Pi. I've given this talk a few times and started working on a third for the agentic era. What's the most pointless internet dependency you've found in a device?


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tomcatfish • today at 4:19 PM

:( Your notes are probably more fun to read than the generic AI voice. Your actual notes are fun, but seeing the ~extra cruft from an AI writer in every line irritated me enough to quit before the end.

diggernet • today at 4:46 PM

Love your rules.

My personal situation imposes even stricter versions of your #1 and #2:

1. No network, no problem. Anything core to the house has to work with Wi-Fi or automation server shut down.

2. Smart functionality must not remove dumb functionality.

As one example: having a physical switch that controls a light and the switch can be operated by automation is good. Having automation control a light and the switch just tells automation what to do is bad.

This does make things hard sometimes. For instance, your sprinkler controller doesn't pass that bar. In fact the only one I've found so far that has a local API for automation plus full "dumb" on-device control (no Wi-Fi, no app) is RainMachine, and they are gone. If only OpenSprinkler hardware had a touch screen for local UI.

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WalterBright • today at 4:56 PM

I've bought multiple internet radios over the decades. The demise of them is always its dependency on a remote server which enables setting which stations you want to listen to.

The remote server always goes away after a couple years go by, and the radio is only capable of playing the stations that were set as presets. Then the preset radio stations go offline, or the URLs for them change.

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bluefirebrand • today at 4:14 PM

Basically any appliance is completely ridiculous to require an internet connection imo. When are you going to need to use a stove or dishwasher without being home? What value do you actually get from having a smart fridge that you can view analytics about from your phone?

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guhcampos • today at 4:12 PM

This is absolutely great stuff, but I think I caught you red-handed there. Alexa Routines break your fundamental rule!

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