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p-e-wlast Saturday at 9:56 AM5 repliesview on HN

That idea is incomprehensible to me.

I see value (or lack of it) in what I have in front of me, not in how much a person had to struggle and suffer for it to come into existence.

Either something is good or it’s not. Creating something good can sometimes take a lot of effort, but it’s not the effort that makes it good. Otherwise digging a hole and filling it back up would be a valuable undertaking.


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latexrlast Saturday at 10:23 AM

What you are saying is that you either do not understand or do not care for craft (it’s an observation, not a criticism), but craft has definite value beyond the end result. Effort does play a huge part, including in animation.

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2019/03/painting-backgroun...

The lights in windows on the background of Akira, for example, were painstakingly painted one by one. That takes skill. That is impressive. It’s the kind of work that makes one with an appreciation for art (which goes beyond “pretty picture”) take another look and imagine what the artist was feeling and thinking as they were working. It makes you wonder about exact techniques and how to improve them, how to create something new.

All of that enhances the appreciation for the movie. The craft, the skill, the sweat put into it to make a hard and grandiose vision plays into how good and influential it has become.

Had those buildings just been spit out by gen AI along with everything else, there would be no value to taking a second look. You’d probably be looking at distorted images anyway, and even if you weren’t it’d just be a bunch of pixels with no intentionality to it. If no one put effort into the details, there’s no reason to look at them. The converse is also true.

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spencerflemlast Saturday at 10:02 AM

No, it doesn’t have to take effort, but that does mean that someone genuinely cares.

Like, I love blog posts. Really do, I’ll read anyone’s about anything. Someone thought of something and cared about it and put it into the world and that’s wonderful.

But someone making an AI post doesn’t care. And worse, it makes anyone who does care feel silly, like, why am I wasting my time on this thing that’s so worthless that whatever the first thing the computer spits out is good enough for them

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kaikailast Saturday at 10:08 AM

Digging a hole and filling it up might very well have value as an art piece. The process is important for art, not just the end product.

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numpad0last Saturday at 3:56 PM

imo a massive problem with generative AI is in communication skills of its creators.

Look at Google Gemini and how it's accepted. The only two differences between it and the rest is that it's made by Google, and they don't brag about disrupting the society or damaging its workings(Google do disrupt the society and damage its workings).

It's one thing to design a shotgun, it's another to give it a commercial name "Street Sweeper". The latter is asking to be treated unfairly. Torrenting bunch of media contents and brandishing the runnable blobs as weapons that kill all $classes_of_good_people just isn't and never was the way you communicate anything to anyone.

GlitchInstitutelast Saturday at 5:25 PM

right, but photography as an art form is pretty much dead, isn't it? and I'm saying this as a heavy AI user