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pandamanyesterday at 9:22 PM7 repliesview on HN

I lived next to a mom and pop store, not grocery, selling crystals and such. The owner of the store allowed a homeless camp on the store's lot. City could not clean it out because it's on a private property. The closest tent was less than 50' from my bedroom. The homeless fought, burned stuff, blasted music and hopped over 8' fence into my backyard to help themselves with anything they found there. Store owner was not bothered perhaps because during the day the homeless wondered off, perhaps he just liked them. The police did not do anything, would not even come over noise complaints. Would you like to live like this?


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margalabargalayesterday at 9:27 PM

Could you clarify why it is important to your point that the neglectful property owners next door, owned a store rather than a house or vacant lot?

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Nevermarkyesterday at 9:26 PM

The fact that the problem happened at a store, didn't make the store itself the problem.

Any more than the problem of loud neighbors, is a problem of having neighbors.

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danny_codesyesterday at 10:36 PM

This seems like a wildly specifically bad outcome.. I’m a bit confused why your city allows this? You can call the cops on owners for noise violations, unsafe conditions, etc, etc.

Having lived in a dense walkable place with plentiful stores mingled with residential housing, I can say I’ve never seen that particular problem before.

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vjvjvjvjghvyesterday at 10:24 PM

I don’t think it’s a common pattern for mom and pop stores to have a homeless camp on their lot.

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burkamanyesterday at 11:07 PM

I would not like to live like this. I don't believe that relaxed zoning laws would make a situation like this more likely.

Teeveryesterday at 9:33 PM

It's unfortunate that you have had that terrible experience and that the legal system in your location failed you.

I'm not sure however that there's anything to indicate that mom and pop stores are especially susceptible to these kinds of outcomes. It sounds more like you got a case of shitty neighbour which is possible whether or not the neighbour is a commercial lot or a small home.

If your negative experience had been with a neighbour living in a private home instead of a neighbour who owned a small business would that change your view around the matter of zoning for small businesses in residential neighbourhoods?

kipukunyesterday at 10:00 PM

You realize homes are also private property right? You can have a shitty neighbor like the one described that is also enabled by the fact that they're in their own home. That doesn't justify what they're doing, but your argument against stores as "private property" doesn't hold water.

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