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MarsIronPIyesterday at 3:52 AM5 repliesview on HN

I'm sad to see XMPP missing from this list. I wonder if the author was simply unaware of it or simply ignored it.

IMO XMPP is technically superior to Matrix. It "only" needs a cross-platform high-quality, branded app àla Element. There's underlying protocol support for all the features: video/audio calls, group calls, threads and reactions. Maybe missing are custom emoji (I think?) and channel grouping (which is still in the works). And of course all these protocol features work fine with federation.


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ethinyesterday at 12:59 PM

XMPP's biggest failure is that there is no client which is on advanced on most of it's compliance suites. So if someone uses Windows for example, they're pretty much locked to "Well, you can chat, but no video/voice calls for you". I really hope this changes because XMPP does look interesting.

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fishgoesblubyesterday at 4:46 AM

Same here, I was hoping to see it listed in the article. XMPP is close to being right there in being able to compete with Discord. It just needs a good client with Spaces support (XEP-0503), along side user roles with permissions, and server side voice channels.

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cookiengineeryesterday at 5:05 AM

The problem with XMPP is that it's a suite of RFCs.

It's like describing DNS, which is a conglomerate of RFCs so complex that it's unlikely to be implemented correctly and completely.

XMPP is a design fail in that regard, because if you have to tell your chat contacts to download a different client that fulfills OMEMO or XEP-whatever specs, then yeah, ain't gonna happen for most people.

(I am still a proponent of XMPP, but the working groups need to get their shit together to unify protocol support across clients)

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ekianjoyesterday at 7:53 AM

Xmpp clients are completely awful on Linux desktop, and can't do voice and video chat correctly with clients on Android like Conversations

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ranger_dangeryesterday at 8:50 AM

I tried XMPP recently and was surprised to see just how barren it was. The tech might be good but if nobody is using it after all these years, what's the point?

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