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adrian_byesterday at 12:22 PM3 repliesview on HN

The vast majority of useful things cannot be computed with QED from fundamental principles. You cannot compute even simple atomic energy spectra.

The fundamental laws of chemistry have not been changed much by quantum physics, they just became better understood and less mysterious. Quantum mechanics has explained various cases of unusual chemical bonds that appeared to contradict the simpler rules that were believed to be true before the development of quantum physics, but not much else has practical importance.

Solid-state physics is a much better example, because little of it existed before quantum physics.

Nevertheless, solid-state physics is also the most obvious example that the current quantum physics cannot be used to compute anything of practical value from first principles.

All solid-state physics is based on experimentally-measured parameters, which cannot be computed. All mathematical models that are used in solid-state physics are based on guesses about how the solutions could behave, e.g. by introducing various fictitious averaged potentials in equations, like the Schroedinger equation, and they are not based on computations that use primary laws, without guesses that do not have any other justification, except that when the model is completed with the experimentally-measured values for its parameters, it can make reasonably accurate predictions.

Using empirical mathematical models of semiconductor materials, e.g. for designing transistors, is perfectly fine and entire industries have been developed with such empirical models.

However, the fact that one must develop custom empirical models for every kind of application, instead of being able to derive them from what are believed to be the universal laws of quantum physics, demonstrates that these are not good enough.

We can live and progress very well with what we have, but if someone would discover a better theory or a mathematical strategy for obtaining solutions, that could be used to compute the parameters that we must now measure and which could be used to model everything that we need in a way for which there would be guarantees that the model is adequate, then that would be a great advance in physics.


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dgfltoday at 2:11 AM

You seem to be familiar with the field, yet this is a very strange view? I work on exactly this slice of solid state physics and semiconductor devices. I’m not sure what you mean here.

The way we construct Hamiltonians is indeed somewhat ad hoc sometimes, but that’s not because of lack of fundamental knowledge. In fact, the only things you need are the mass of the electron/proton and the quantum of charge. Everything else is fully derived and justified, as far as I can think of. There’s really nothing other than the extremely low energy limit of QED in solid state devices, then it’s about scaling it up to many body systems which are computationally intractable but fully justified.

We don’t even use relativistic QM 95% of the time. Spin-orbit terms require it, but once you’ve derived the right coefficients (only needed once) you can drop the Dirac equation and go back to Schrödinger. The need for empirical models has nothing to do with fundamental physics, and all to do with the exorbitant complexity of many-body systems. We don’t use QFT and the standard model just because, as far as I can tell, the computation would never scale. Not really a fault of the standard model.

jcranmeryesterday at 2:10 PM

> The fundamental laws of chemistry have not been changed much by quantum physics, they just became better understood and less mysterious. Quantum mechanics has explained various cases of unusual chemical bonds that appeared to contradict the simpler rules that were believed to be true before the development of quantum physics, but not much else has practical importance.

Um, false? The fundamentals of chemistry are about electron orbitals (especially the valence ones) and their interactions between atoms to form molecules. All of my college chemistry courses delved somewhat into quantum mechanics, with the biggest helping being in organic chemistry. And modern computational chemistry is basically modeling the QED as applied to atoms.

davrosthedalekyesterday at 12:28 PM

What are you talking about? The spectra of hydrogen is very well understood and a text book example for students to calculate.

We use spectra to test QED calculations to something like 14 digits.

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