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Jokes and complete lack of sympathy aside, it does complicate the narrative that these small labs are always on the heels of the big labs for pennies on the dollar, if they rely on distilling the big labs models. That means there still has to be big bucks coming from somewhere.
I don't see Z.ai (GLM 5) in the list though. I consider Qwen/Kimi to have a close relationship so I might not be sure but Qwen might be using Kimi data (I have written another comment in more depth)
I still prefer kimi fwiw. It's one of the best models I have witnessed open source and when I tried GLM 5, it really was lacklustre for me on its launchday but I will have to see it for myself now comparing the two maybe as I do see GLM 5 do some good things in benchmarks but we all know how benchmarks should be less trusted.
I still think that there is still some hope in chinese models even after this ie. they aren't completely dependent on the large models seeing GLM 5.
I am seeing an accusation of GLM 5 doing Distillation[0] but I am not seeing any hard evidence of it.
[0]: https://mtsoln.com/id/blog/wawasan-720/the-temu-fication-of-...