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khalicyesterday at 10:18 AM3 repliesview on HN

No, saying that e2e encryption makes users _less_ safe is completely dishonest, nothing is fine about this.

The logic of "anything is better than before" is also fallacious.


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roncesvallesyesterday at 10:21 AM

Depends on your definition of "safe". Imagine an adult DMs a nude photo to a minor (or other kinds of predation).

If it's E2EE, no one except the sender and receiver know about this conversation. You want an MITM in this case to detect/block such things or at least keep record of what's going on for a subpoena.

I agree that every messaging platform in the world shouldn't be MITM'd, but every messaging platform doesn't need to be E2EE'd either.

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miki123211yesterday at 10:55 AM

It makes certain users less safe in certain situations.

E2E makes political activists and anti-chinese dissidents safer, at the cost of making children less safe. Whether this is a worthwhile tradeoff is a political, not technical decision, but if we claim that there are any absolutes here, we just make sure that we'll never be taken seriously by anybody who matters.

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fendy3002yesterday at 11:24 AM

well having no e2e encryption is safer than having a half-baked e2e encryption that have backdoor and can be decrypted by the provider.

and for tiktok's stance, I think they just don't want to get involved with the Chinese government related with encryption (and give false sense of privacy to user)