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lukevyesterday at 2:09 PM7 repliesview on HN

This is a must-read series of articles, and I think Kyle is very much correct.

The comparison to the adoption of automobiles is apt, and something I've thought about before as well. Just because a technology can be useful doesn't mean it will have positive effects on society.

That said, I'm more open to using LLMs in constrained scenarios, in cases where they're an appropriate tool for the job and the downsides can be reasonably mitigated. The equivalent position in 1920 would not be telling individuals "don't ever drive a car," but rather extrapolating critically about the negative social and environmental effects (many of which were predictable) and preventing the worst outcomes via policy.

But this requires understanding the actual limits and possibilities of the technology. In my opinion, it's important for technologists who actually see the downsides to stay aware and involved, and even be experts and leaders in the field. I want to be in a position to say "no" to the worst excesses of AI, from a position of credible authority.


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baal80spamyesterday at 2:25 PM

> Just because a technology can be useful doesn't mean it will have positive effects on society.

You say it in a way that it sounds like automobiles don't have a positive effect. I don't agree - they have some negative effects but overall they have a vast net positive effect for everyone.

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hibikirtoday at 4:37 AM

When we look at automobiles, we also see that there were many ways to adapt to them. It's true that there's many parts of the anglosphere where, without one, you are a second class citizen at best: The lived environment was built so that you could not live without them... but that's not the only choice. I spend part of the year in Spain all the time, and I might not get into a car once a month. Not because I am any kind of enthusiast, but because in the town I live when I am there, it's doesn't really help.

The different however is network effects. When we make a place better for cars, I make it worse for pedestrians. Your adoption of the car, and its pressure on my lived environment, has effects on me. Same as, say, people joining facebook or twitter. But do LLMs create network effects that are directly harmful, or is it just a matter of making it harder to compete, just like a mechanical watchmaker has less business now that it's so easy to have a reliable clock? Because the first case is a problem, but the second one... that's competition. It's civilization. And then it's not really a matter of cars vs pedestrians.

jimbokunyesterday at 8:02 PM

More and more urban centers are banning cars in their cores. Especially older cities built before the automobile existed.

An analog might be the push for banning phones in schools. Setting apart times and spaces where serendipitous human interactions are encouraged by the lack of distractions.

madeofpalkyesterday at 11:20 PM

> Unavailable Due to the UK Online Safety Act

> Now might be a good time to call your representatives.

Well, not that must-read I guess

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ForHackernewsyesterday at 3:13 PM

All blocked in the UK, sadly.

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aaron695yesterday at 10:43 PM

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Glemllksdfyesterday at 6:58 PM

I think he is to pesimistic, a tool is a tool and if AI progresses without hitting a ceilling, i will see a potential future of a society which might explore space.

Musks SpaceX Keynote was ridiculous, don't get me wrong, but we will be able to see AI progress in the next 5 years which will give us some kind of gut feeling were the journey can go.

Also AI solves another problem: Compute. It was clear that we want some kind of compute but its like with 4k; We have 4k for ages now but it is not the default resolution on all displays sold. We stoped pushing the boundaries because invest is not here. People do not bother too much with it.

With AI and the richest companies and people want to see what happens, pushes the envolope a lot faster, pushes us to find solutions.

This AI Compute based on ML/Neuroal Networks can also be used for physics simulation, protein folding, and everything else.

Stoping technology is not an option and not a solution. Education is. We need to educate people.

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