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nmbrskeptixyesterday at 5:29 PM3 repliesview on HN

This is weird. This represents a change over a mere ten year period.

My zone hasn't changed (still 6b), but USDA states the lowest T has gone up 5F (-10,-5) to (-5,0).

Last winter we had -10F for a week. This winter we had -20F for a week.

What I find strange is that the interval from the last assessment is small, only 10 years. And yet in two of those we broke records in the opposite direction of that reported. Note that USDA is not reporting the average, but the coldest temps likely to be encountered.

Even if the winter is trending warmer, I would think two record breaking cold winters in a ten year span would change my local data downwards, not up.

This has affected me. For three years I have tried planting chicago hardy figs. For three years we've had chicago like winters and the figs didn't make it (chicago hardy needs a couple of mild winters to withstand chicago temps).

What do I know? YMMV


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zamadatixyesterday at 7:13 PM

"Hardiness zones in this map are based on the average annual extreme minimum temperature during a 30-year period in the past" https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/pages/how-to-use-the-map... (the page also reflects this in one of the sections).

So it doesn't matter if it was -20 F all year or for 1 day, either counts as 1 value of -20 F out of 30 annual measurements to be averaged. 2 record breaking cold winters out of 11 wouldn't necessarily imply much with over 1/3 of the averaged data being replaced (it'd depend more on the 11 years replaced than the 2 new extremes), and that should show in the graph of the exact yearly values used towards the middle.

I do sort of wish it opened with the deeper explanation of what the data is first and then got to showing you the values second. Giving someone numbers, having them try to interpret them, and then telling them what it was the numbers were actually trying to measure is a recipe for creating confusion.

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LorenPechteltoday at 1:14 AM

The plant zones are not about average, but about worst case. Will your plant survive the coldest night? It is a good general guide for what you can grow locally. You check the zones the plant is rated for and if relevant chilling hours. It's not perfect but it's a very good starting point.

trhwayyesterday at 11:27 PM

>This represents a change over a mere ten year period.

For our, city dwellers, perception changes over 10 years may be unnoticeable, while over longer periods - that is how about 4 decades look in my hometown in Russia (one though need to be at least 50 years old to feel the changes happening over 40 years :)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18948971

Where is, naturally, even a 1/4th of such changes is noticeable and meaningful for industrial agriculture.

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