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Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

173 pointsby scubakidtoday at 4:04 AM122 commentsview on HN

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TazeTSchnitzeltoday at 6:50 AM

After habitually consuming caffeine (not in coffee form) daily, usually multiple times a day, for more than a decade, a horrible mental health incident happened to me that forced me to stop it for a while. Afterwards I didn't resume the habit, and so I no longer have a tolerance.

This has let me evaluate what caffeine does with fresh eyes, so to say, because I can now consume it occasionally while having many non-caffeinated days to compare to. It's a profoundly psychoactive substance and does a lot of things to cognition. I guess I have decided I don't enjoy how it feels, having previously been dependent on it.

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testemailfordg2today at 5:54 AM

Funded by the Institute for Scientific Information on Coffee (ISIC) — an industry body — which is a notable conflict of interest the authors disclose but don't extensively discuss

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dgllghrtoday at 11:32 AM

I switched from caffeine (coffee) to theacrine (pills) and I like it so much more. I feel alert and focused without added anxiety. It doesn’t seem to affect my sleep at all. I really didn’t like how hard it was to quit coffee.

I don’t like that it’s a pill. I tried making my own theacrine drinks, but theacrine is so bitter that I never found one that I liked. I am still haunted by the chicory + theacrine drink I made…

fedeb95today at 7:52 AM

thirty-one participants were moderate coffee-drinkers (CD, i.e., people that usually consume between 3 to 5 cups of coffee per day).

3-5 is moderate? To me, 3 is already high.

Also, sample size is pretty low and they're all Irish.

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pinkmuffineretoday at 5:13 AM

I’m super interested in this sort of study! However, it looks like n=62 here, which I think weakens the results —they’re probably just useful as suggestions of possible effects. Also, any food is expected to have similar effects on the microbiome. They didn’t test caffeine in isolation. In some ways that’s better (I don’t consume caffeine in isolation), but in some ways that’s less useful (it’s possible you get similar results from many random vegetables)

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rubslopestoday at 11:10 AM

Was this thread invaded by AI? Casually reading the first comments, 3 different users mentioned they had a recent "mental health incident" related to caffeine??

Search this page for "mental health incident"

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throwatdem12311today at 11:07 AM

Caffeine is an extremely potent drug.

It’s actually kind of crazy to think that a large portion of a country’s population could be “high” on it basically all of the time. And there is a huge industry in place for delivering said drug to as many people as possible by having it available on almost every street corner.

And that most people take a fairly non-chalant attitude to giving this drug to kids through sweet drinks that are primarily marketed to them as well.

The scale of it is kinda mind boggling to me.

Mind the nonsensical rant, I haven’t had my coffee yet this morning…

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ANarrativeApetoday at 7:37 AM

It would have been interesting to see if there was any difference relating to CYP1A2 (Cytochrome P450 1A2), the fast metabolizers and the slow metabolizers.

satvikpendemtoday at 5:24 AM

What's cool is this effect exists even in decaf coffee, as someone who primarily drinks decaf black, for flavor and for a good night's rest as I'm sensitive to caffeine.

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arnejenssentoday at 10:30 AM

I am not a coffee drinker, but I met with a friend at a cafe who said he was going to get a cup of insect poison, referring to coffee :)

2OEH8eoCRo0today at 11:09 AM

> The coffee provided was consumed with a quantity of hot water, milk, sugar chosen by the participant.

Could it be the sugar?

reedf1today at 5:07 AM

At least subjectively, coffee seems to help my memory. But maybe that's why I started drinking coffee?

I would probably drop coffee it was proven to have negative effects on memory.

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wjnctoday at 5:10 AM

I have not much followed the science of gut microbiome and psychology. Is this really going where this article is pointing? That we can tease out causation in foods and habits via gut microbiome towards behavior and psychology? Pretty rad.

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getnormalitytoday at 5:03 AM

Coffee modifies physiology and cognition? You're telling me this for the first time.

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shinryuutoday at 8:21 AM

Would be real interesting to see a similar study on tea.

sdevonoestoday at 7:43 AM

I must be weird, but coffee (or caffeine) doesn’t really “wake me up” in the mornings and I could drink it in the night and still sleep well. Because of that I don’t drink coffee; I prefer tea

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xingyi_devtoday at 9:08 AM

Whatever the case, a cup of coffee is basically what kickstarts my day.

homeonthemtntoday at 11:15 AM

Yes, well, nevertheless. Sip

neuroelectrontoday at 11:14 AM

I only use caffeine or caffeinated beverages such as coffee at the most three times a week. And that's a heavy week for me.

therealdeal2020today at 8:44 AM

good thing I have claude to summarize this and quickly realized that sample size was small and nothing much new unless you are a microbiome researcher

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poly2ittoday at 5:12 AM

> ... reintroduction triggered acute microbiome changes independent of caffeine.

This sounds interesting. I've never really considered the constituents of coffee other than caffeine and what unique effects they may bring.

I wonder if I would experience behavioral effects if I replaced my coffee intake with caffeinated non-coffee drinks or pills?

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neyatoday at 5:01 AM

The only good thing that keeps me from collapsing into a state of limbo is coffee and now, even that's bad (seems more like a mixed bag, but still)? Sigh.

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6LLvveMx2koXfwntoday at 5:08 AM

"These findings reveal previously unrecognised effects of coffee on the microbiota–gut–brain axis, suggesting that microbiome profiles could potentially predict coffee consumption patterns", or, perhaps, just ask the patient?

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