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Animatsyesterday at 9:06 PM5 repliesview on HN

Nice.

Those are small parts, though. The interesting part is the E-axle. BYD builds a unit with an integrated motor, differential, axle, and wheel hubs. That, plus an electronics box and battery, is the power train. This simplifies vehicles considerably.

There are E-axle teardown videos. There's no big secret about how to do this. Copying this is hard for Detroit, because they have a huge investment in "engine plants". With this design, BYD doesn't need standalone engine plants.

Tesla ought to be doing this, but they're into performance, not cost. They want to put two or four motors in a car. BYD does make supercars, to show off, but their volume products are reasonably good cars with E-axles and lithium iron phosphate batteries, which work fine. (It's not clear that Tesla is even into car design at all any more, but that's another issue.)

Detroit ought to be doing this, but they insist on making electric cars that are modified gasoline cars. Ford has an electric Mustang, an electric F-150, and an electric Transit. Chrysler doesn't even make cars any more, just one minivan. GM has a good Bolt now, which they are killing to appease Trump.


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bluGillyesterday at 10:41 PM

GM has several EVs that are ground up designs. They look just like the ICE version but that is cosmetic, everything else is different.

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m463today at 2:18 AM

> Tesla ought to be doing this, but they're into performance, not cost.

not as much anymore. model s/x discontinued.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/01/tesla-kills-models-s-an...

dghlsakjgtoday at 4:47 AM

You have some false beliefs about Detroit’s product lines.

Fords mustang mach e is unrelated to the gas one. Totally different platform. It was designed from the ground up as an electric platform. The electric F-150 was a shrewd bet that didn’t pay off, but a pretty defensible decision to try to electrify the most popular vehicle in North America without changing the outside look too much. Under the sheet metal it doesn’t share a lot of drivetrain parts with the gas truck.

Chevy makes full size electric trucks on an all electric platform with three truck/SUV models across three brands. The bolt was cancelled in 2022 with the last one produced in December 2023. They have restarted production of the Bolt for the 2026 model year. The Bolt is also built on a platform designed as electric only. The factory building the Bolt is being tentatively retooled next year to build higher margin cars as a result of Trumps tariffs. I don’t see how any of that has anything to do with appeasing Trump.

Stellantis is its own mess, and they suck at designing all cars regardless of energy source.

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ErroneousBoshyesterday at 10:01 PM

> BYD builds a unit with an integrated motor, differential, axle, and wheel hubs

So wait, the whole axle is solid then? Like a 1960s pickup truck but with all the weight of the motor and gearbox hanging off it too?

That must give it ridiculous unsprung weight.

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joe_mambayesterday at 9:11 PM

>This simplifies vehicles considerably.

On the contrary, this much integration makes repairs nearly impossible, meaning you might have to swap the whole unit(for a lot of $$$) when something small inside it inevitably breaks.

Check out the articles published by EVclinic that cover such cases.

Aftermarket EV repairs are already big business due to how difficult and expensive the OEMs make it.

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