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raxxorraxoryesterday at 12:36 PM5 repliesview on HN

As a European these texts are always a bit embarrassing. The evil USA that abuses our data...

No, European countries suck completely on their own. There are people in jail without due process, we have histories full of systematic abuse of children/people with disabilities in care units, blatant disregard for constitutional rights by executive forces and you have these cases like this surfacing every other week.

You don't need the evil USA to reject biometric data gathering by government. You just need to get your largest boot and point it at the arse of the next public official that is responsible for YOU. Not some imaginary enemy behind a bit of water ffs... rant off

The mistake isn't some agreement with the USA, the problem is that this data might be available in the first place. And yes, this is a case where government/EU is NOT able to safeguard it.

Other than that the text is correct and then we should just need to deal with the realities of needing visas again.

> EDRi recommends the Commission and the Council to push back against the US government’s blackmail and refuse to sell people’s personal data

There is no leverage so I fail to see how this could succeed. Especially if said officials have zero problems with this kind of surveillance. They just have to pretend that they do.


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dwrobertsyesterday at 12:49 PM

> European countries suck completely on their own. There are people in jail without due process, we have histories full of systematic abuse of children/people with disabilities in care units, blatant disregard for constitutional rights by executive forces and you have these cases like this surfacing every other week.

This is kind of besides the point though right. If you think EU nations already have serious issues why would you then also export personal data to another nation that has those same issues and worse?

dgellowyesterday at 12:48 PM

There is a clear difference between a local system that has access to your data, and a foreign one. You have no way to vote the foreign entity out of power, and have no say over what they are doing with your data

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Vinnlyesterday at 12:56 PM

> There is no leverage so I fail to see how this could succeed.

Isn't there upside to the US too if more Europeans visit the US?

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functionmouseyesterday at 12:47 PM

If you're really planning on kicking some official's ass, you'd better do it quick before your feet are shackled.

dominotwyesterday at 12:41 PM

Everyone needs an enemy to cope with their own flaws.

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