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Groxxyesterday at 3:57 PM4 repliesview on HN

while attempting to avoid armchair-law-interpreting because I really do not intend that, and I agree that this is going to be an interesting/deeply-worrying legal case:

wiping the device before carrying it across the border seems essentially identical to me. like, saying "you can't wipe it when searched" would also imply "you can't have an empty device when crossing because it may have been wiped before the search to avoid having your data searched" since people can (and often do) do that for exactly that reason.

that may very well be what they want / what they are trying to legally allow during searches, but it also seems like it'd raise a hell of a lot more outrage. it's essentially claiming all citizens are under full legal hold all the time, if they ever intend to leave the country for any length of time.


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iamnothereyesterday at 4:04 PM

To my knowledge, no citizen has ever been prevented from reentry due to a blank or absent device. In fact they cannot block a citizen’s legal reentry for any reason, they can only detain you while they investigate.

Beyond this, “I dropped my phone in the ocean” is always a perfectly valid reason.

If you’re a foreigner and they already suspect you of something, they can deny you entry for any reason. It may be better to be denied than arrested!

dotancohenyesterday at 4:32 PM

  > wiping the device before carrying it across the border seems essentially identical to me.
This seems more in line with many companies' email retention policies to delete all mail after some time period. This is to protect the company from anything compromising that might have been said, should an investigation ever occur. Better to just not have any record of anything.

And this policy is already accepted in practice.

nemomarxyesterday at 4:06 PM

similar to structuring laws, right? trying to not provide evidence is occasionally similar to destroying it.

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tsimionescuyesterday at 4:16 PM

> wiping the device before carrying it across the border seems essentially identical to me.

On the contrary, there is a huge gulf between these. Providing a fake password that wipes a device while under active questioning is a clear case of providing false testimony. Lying to the police while under investigation is simply illegal, regardless of the thing you're lying about.

By contrast, entering the country with a clear device is not a crime under any possible interpretation that I can see. Now, if you are wiping evidence while you know there is an active investigation against you, that may be a crime as well, but it's a completely separate crime and can't be easily judged by an officer that simply finds you with a clean phone.

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