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grahammccaintoday at 4:23 PM14 repliesview on HN

Guess what this is probably fine. AI helps people do their work on a daily basis and probably makes them memorize less things. That’s how the world is moving. You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic. And we shouldn’t organize our society around memorizing things for exams.


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throwitaway222today at 4:30 PM

What is a doctor? The person recommending next course of action based on best practices. What is the best practice? Is it a globally decided on thing, a locally tested thing that has proven to be better? Is the global thing just the most popular because someone wrote it on reddit and it got millions of views (but isn't actually good).

If our society is organized on just delegating all authority to "the best answer" we can drop all jobs - and only the surgeon has some authority over the machine. When we have a surgery robot, then they can go to. And at some point we'll be recommending and forcing surgery for athletes foot because some kind of best practice or viral post going out of control and a bunch of openclaw bots randomly decide to make tons of recommendations online for amputation for athletes foot and GPT 8.6 agrees this is the way to go.

OR we can somehow decide there is a boundary, there is some room for human memory and decisions.

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spandrewtoday at 4:47 PM

This is too simplistic. There are disciplines, like Anatomy, where you're basically just memorizing bones, glands, and other parts of the human body. For organic chemistry, students need to memorize most of the krebs cycle diagram for their exams (because doing so and drawing it lets them reference it later).

Thinking is infinitely more complex than "critical thinking" vs. rote functions. You want students to get to critical, eventually, but the lower orders on bloom's taxonomy serve important roles, too.

Course design built around multiple choice questions, essays, and a lot of the historical assessments that we're used to are largely not great for learning in the first place—–they're used because they can be auto-graded or score assigned quickly. AI, conversely, is kind of revealing the limitations of these outmoded learning design practices.

Think of the meme going around right now from Milennials to Gen Z: "I wrote a 5 page essay on a book I never read!" <- They're saying this to AI generated essays as if there's any difference in the critical thinking that comes out of an exercise like that (read: absolutely none).

AI is a new tech—so of course people are still figuring out the limits of it. In 10 years a lot of the paradigm will be set. Until then, students are unfortunately kind of in the thick of it.

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LandoCalrissiantoday at 5:26 PM

"You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic."

Yes you do???

iambenmtoday at 4:49 PM

How do you differentiate between mastery of a topic and mastery of using an AI in an exam setting?

Open book tests and allowed cheat sheets already solve the memorization-is-not-required gap. It seems like allowing use of AI pushes that closer to thinking-is-not-required. And if no thinking is required, then how can you prove personal mastery?

advisedwangtoday at 5:16 PM

A lot of expertise is actually knowing things about the domain. You can't make a good judgement call on a topic without getting relevant knowledge in your head to make that decision. You can't even lookup the relevant knowledge without knowing what knowledge is important to make the decision, so reference material is not enough.

happymellontoday at 4:58 PM

Completely agree.

Absolute waste of time getting babies to walk now that we have cars and electric scooters!

rektomatictoday at 4:25 PM

Good exams don't just test memorization

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miltonlosttoday at 5:25 PM

> You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic.

Yes, you do need to memorize and know things about the subject in order to be a master of it. What is the definition of "mastery" that you are using? What are the Things being memorized?

rfgplktoday at 4:56 PM

A good analogy to caching and memory lookups. You store in your head only the most valuable immediately necessary information, the rest can be outsourced.

gamplemantoday at 4:26 PM

Memorizing stuff is good for understanding. Of course memorizing without understanding doesn't really help, which is what a lot of student last-minute "cramming" boils down to. But without concrete and memorized knowledge, any abstract reasoning skills become quickly impossible.

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bigstrat2003today at 4:58 PM

This is not, in fact, fine. The point of education is to learn things, and these results show that kids are not learning things as effectively when they use LLMs.

zuzululutoday at 4:48 PM

It's critical to understand the fundamentals on your own and that is different from AI being used in public. Sure school doesn't have as much value as it used to but it was always more about social credit or a certification that you took the time and effort to understand the world under pressure (obviously not true for all disciplines) or goals attached preferably in group settings.

This is something that AI cannot replace. Viewing things as memorizing is the wrong take.

dan_gggggtoday at 4:27 PM

Definitely not fine. People are graduating from Computer Science programs literally unable to write a line of code without AI assistance.

These people have fallen into OpenAI and Anthropic's trap and are illiterate without the assistance of coin-operated slop generators.

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recursivetoday at 4:35 PM

One more step towards eliminating the value of labor entirely. What "work" will people be doing on a daily basis, and what makes it valuable?