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derwikiyesterday at 2:02 PM9 repliesview on HN

Reading Infinite Games, they tell an anecdote about a Microsoft exec on a flight telling an Apple exec that the Zune was a way better portable music player than the iPod. The Apple exec was just “yup, you’re probably right” and then soon after the iPhone dropped


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VCFundedGenYeryesterday at 4:21 PM

To be fair, the Zune actually was a better media player than the ipod in almost every way. That wasn't a false statement.

The issue was the abysmal marketing and "me too" attitude Microsoft had (and still has).

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shuwixyesterday at 4:40 PM

Actually, Microsoft came with "modern" smart phone much sooner. Actually too soon, technology wasn't there (price, computing power, size, weight, battery life).

Apple never came first ... but often just at the right moment and had marketing skills to make it a new trend.

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bingo-bongoyesterday at 4:24 PM

Simon Sinek - Apple vs Microsoft: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOftmUJ6a4

But it had nothing to do with the iPod/iPhone release in his story.

(story starts ~1:15, but I highly recommend the entire talk)

mikestewyesterday at 2:11 PM

Might want to edit, as this would make sense/be amusing if the exec in the last sentence was Apple.

That, or I can’t read.

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nxobjectyesterday at 3:45 PM

Hell hath no fury like Apple Global Security scorned...

troupoyesterday at 2:14 PM

Zune was probably a better player. It was too late, and arrived when MS didn't much care.

There are emails unearthed in various lawsuits where you can read Bill Gates screaming at his subordinates: "why the hell can't our partners like Sony and Creative create a similar device? Give them all, give them early access to everything, work with them". In the end MS felt compelled to make their own.

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mark_l_watsonyesterday at 4:37 PM

I loved the book The Infinite Game. Really changed how I looked at work, personal research, and being an author. Recommended!

kccqzyyesterday at 6:20 PM

That just sounds like a standard introvert response when one doesn’t want to walk.

adventuredyesterday at 6:33 PM

The anecdote is likely a false rip of the actual story:

[2017] Speaking at an event Tuesday, Scott Forstall, who lead Apple's iOS software division under Jobs, recounted the surprising history behind the company's first touchscreen prototype, which ultimately lead to the first iPhone.

It all began, Forstall said, because Jobs had an acquaintance at Microsoft who he really, really, didn't like.

"It began because Steve hated this guy at Microsoft," Forstall said during the event. "Any time Steve had any interaction with the guy, he'd come back pissed off."

The unnamed Microsoft exec, who was apparently the husband of a friend of Jobs' wife, apparently bragged so much it pushed Jobs over the edge.

"He just shoved it in Steve's face -- the way they were going to rule the world with their new tablets with their pens. He came in on Monday with a set of expletives and then was like 'let's show them how it's really done.' "

https://mashable.com/article/scott-forstall-steve-jobs-micro...

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