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idiotsecant • yesterday at 1:05 AM • 9 replies • view on HN

In my area of the country there is one very simple modification manufacturers could make to ensure their vehicles are wildly more useful: add diesel heaters. Heat the batteries and the people during the winters rather than using onboard power to do it. It would sip diesel and contribute hugely to utility. I am in the process of building my own because nobody makes one


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Thlom • yesterday at 5:00 AM

Why? A lot of EVs these days comes with a heatpump so heating doesn’t use that much power. I live in a cold country where 98% of new cars are EVs and I have never heard anyone asking for something like this. A quick search on popular EV forums shows a few threads from 2010-2014. That’s it. I know webasto has a product like this, but there’s practically zero cars on the road with it installed.

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Alive-in-2025 • yesterday at 6:20 AM

Every ev already has this today, 10 years ago it was in some leading cars like teslas. Only the leaf and a few others didn't have battery heating and cooling, and the fact that so many think those problems are in all evs set back the whole market.

A 10 year old tesla can heat and cool the battery before leaving, you could set a daily time to heat it up, or just turn it on just before you go manually if you wished.

pjc50 • yesterday at 8:05 AM

This feels like something that would be offered by US/Canada manufacturers as a niche option, and nowhere else. Norway seems to be coping just fine without it.

(China also has regions of extreme cold; it would be interesting to see how regional EV adoption/adaptation has happened there)

mountain_peak • yesterday at 5:23 AM

In high school, one of my friends had a VW (air cooled) with a torpedo heater installed that would heat the interior to 30 degrees C in a matter of minutes - no matter how cold it was outside.

Likewise, in university, my friend's army jeep had a gas heater that would melt snow off his canvas roof.

People are consuming 30% of their battery power to heat the vehicle and batteries - and that's with reduced battery range. It only makes sense to add a container for gas/diesel and a heater - really can't understand why manufacturers are against instant and very low cost heat as an option to protect range and increase safety (in case you're stranded in the winter with a depleted battery).

Best of luck adapting one to your vehicle.

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kalleboo • yesterday at 6:30 AM

Volvo's first electric car had this, I always thought it was neat (I rented one a few times through a car sharing service that had them) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_C30#C30_DRIVe_Electric_(...

thelastgallon • yesterday at 4:58 AM

EVs should always be plugged in. There is electricity wherever it is parked. Heating or cooling can be done using grid, instead of onboard battery.

EVs play a role in the energy ecosystem. They absorb excess production during the day and can supply power back to the grid by participating in a virtual power plant (VPP).

jacquesm • yesterday at 1:39 AM

Webasto. They make a really decent little unit, easy to integrate too.

dj_gitmo • yesterday at 3:19 AM

I have been waiting for a manufacturer to finally embrace this tech. I know electric buses already do it. I think people just have a mental barrier about this because EVs are supposed to be eco friendly.

I really hope you succeed

imtringued • yesterday at 8:45 AM

You mean wood pellet heaters. Then you can pretend it is CO2 neutral.