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What is going on with ceiling fans

157 points • by colinprince • last Thursday at 3:52 AM • 133 comments • view on HN

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donatj • yesterday at 3:26 PM

My wife and I were out recently looking at ceiling fans to replace the one in our dining room, which has committed no crimes, other than having the appearance of being very much from the 1980s.

I was taken aback by how few of the fans had replaceable lightbulbs! In the entire store there were maybe three or four options with a replaceable bulb!

Call me crazy, but a nonreplaceable LED is a complete dealbreaker. I go through so many LED bulbs! I don't know if my electricity is like particularly bad or if that's just normal? The first LED bulb I ever bought (Shout out EarthLED) in 2008 for like $30 is still going strong, but every bulb I buy these days lasts like two years tops.

Anyway, we did not buy a fan.

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brudgers • yesterday at 4:00 PM

Technology Connections nerd-snipes ceiling fans in a recent video,

https://youtu.be/_KWdCqpXB7A

And of course complains.

But they are technologically informed complaints.

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Gshaheen • yesterday at 3:07 PM

It’s the same story for basically any part of a home. Faucets, furniture, tubs, windows, doors, floors, lamps, you name it.

What a testament to the manufacturing advances that have made it profitable to cater to every possible taste, budget, and architectural layout. It’s incredible actually.

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card_zero • yesterday at 4:00 PM

> a normal fan that for some reason has a border around it

So, a ducted fan! That would be a sensible and practical design if your ceiling needed extra thrust for takeoff.

Cheap and stupid goods with threatening auras, indeed. Possibly a step up from the 90s when it was cheap and stupid goods with a Memphis Group primary school aesthetic. Hard to choose.

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userbinator • today at 9:26 PM

as the LEDs usually cannot be replaced,

They certainly can, with the right tools. A bag of bulk LEDs imported from China is surprisingly cheap.

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jmbwell • yesterday at 3:25 PM

On behalf of my late mother, these look impossible to clean

WaitWaitWha • yesterday at 4:12 PM

most forget, but fan blades need cleaning. any plastic blades, specially the clear one will look like cat vomit.

Imagine clear blades with each blade displaying cat hairballs spread out on the edges, spinning them above your head. It will harass you, give ammo to your in-laws to harass you, create marital strife (when are you going to clean that?) and then death as you fall off the ladder and break your neck on the coffee table, despite surviving four frontline deployments...

DennisP • yesterday at 3:19 PM

The "weird blades" fan is similar to recent propeller designs, which are especially efficient and quiet. It's probably a really good fan.

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BeetleB • yesterday at 3:26 PM

I wanted to buy a ceiling fan last year, and just gave up.

LEDs integrated into fans are the worst idea. If they're not bright enough, you're hosed. You generally can't change the color. Just stick to proven fixtures, and let me put my own choice of bulbs in it!

The other problem is just how houses/apartments are designed in the US. You should always have a separate wall switch for fan and lights! Why they couple the two - I can't fathom.

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owlninja • yesterday at 3:06 PM

> Sometimes new design phenomena slip past even those of us who are most in tune with the happenings of the built environment.

I went to Wayfair and searched ceiling fans and holy moly this space has changed! I thought to myself, "I don't see these when walking through my local bigbox hardware store?" So I went to Lowe's website and fandeliers are an entire category now.

asciimov • yesterday at 4:14 PM

Growing up in Texas, I have always had a fan up and running. When living in apartments and houses that didn’t come with them I’ve put them up (likely breaking a stupid lease rule). At this point I’ve installed dozens of fans and have enough strong opinions on ceiling fans that I could write a lengthy blog post on the subject.

Don’t buy any of these junk fans. Get a normal looking fan, with a quiet DC motor, that takes standard light bulbs with a medium base (e26 in the USA).

Skip modern AC motors, nobody today can seem to build one that doesn’t whomp when it runs. Older AC motors weren’t so cheaply made and don’t usually suffer this problem.

If you have an older fan 25+ years old, you can often rebuild them and end up with a better fan than anything you can buy today.

If you’re building a new house (or doing a rewire) put two light switches in every bedroom, one for the fan the other for the light kit.

If you’re getting a fan with a remote, get one that will let you change the spin direction from the remote.

Get the correct size fan for the room.

Friends don’t let friends buy Hunter Fans, they are all hot garbage. Though they do follow through with their warranties.

braiamp • yesterday at 3:46 PM

This was something that, and this probably comes as no surprise for the ones in the know, Technology Connections youtube channel has noted, the preference for form over function https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KWdCqpXB7A

bob1029 • yesterday at 3:47 PM

The bigger issue I see in new construction is that all the recessed fixtures are replaced with flat LED modules that are not serviceable.

I refuse to own a home built after ~2015 due to this and other factors. Electricity on my kitchen island, toilets that can flush human sized shits, and proper lighting fixtures are non-negotiable for me.

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butner • yesterday at 3:34 PM

Modern fan company .. I’ve take a few of them apart. They’re built from a different era — really thought out and quality build. It’s just a rare product that when you get your hands on it, you appreciate the craft and engineering that went into manufacturing it.

cricalix • yesterday at 3:14 PM

Obligatory Tech Connections video?

https://youtu.be/_KWdCqpXB7A

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Dembot • yesterday at 6:36 PM

I thought this article was going to be about how obnoxious ceiling fans with lights are because they create a strobe effect throughout the room.

comrade1234 • yesterday at 3:31 PM

Funny thing... if we decided to add a ceiling fan to our apartment (we never would - we loathe them) we would have to commission an engineering study to make sure it doesn't affect our neighbors. The sound, the resonance... if we just put one in and the neighbors could hear it we'd have to remove it.

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mcphage • yesterday at 3:25 PM

This kind of reminds me of the “Island” situation on Magic: the Gathering cards. An island is a piece of land, surrounded by water. However, due to 30+ years of needing to draw new versions of islands, Wizards of the Coast has expanded what it means to be an island, ending up with things that are… not that: https://imgur.com/a/xVnyP

philistine • yesterday at 8:34 PM

It's je ne sais quoi.

quickthrowman • yesterday at 7:30 PM

I always see people complaining about failing LED lamps. It’s almost always because people are using lamps rated for open fixtures in enclosed fixtures. If it’s not a table lamp or standing lamp, it’s likely an enclosed fixture. A recessed can with an open bottom is considered an enclosed fixture, and so is an open-bottom chandelier globe.

I suggest only buying enclosed rated fixture lamps because they put out less heat and will last longer in an open or enclosed fixture.

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amelius • yesterday at 3:53 PM

Dyson, where are you when we need you?

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chasd00 • yesterday at 3:14 PM

the gamerfan is a new one for me. haha i had no idea..

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nekusar • yesterday at 3:13 PM

Quite a lot of deserved hate, honestly.

1. Almost all are "appified", aka proprietary crappy BT protocol with required corporate spy/app.

2. Non-replaceable LEDs means burnout = e-waste.

3. LEDs are overdriven meaning they're intentionally ran to burn out sooner.

4. Many of the "fans" are indeed blades on a motor. For they blow? Nope. But they do indeed suck.

5. Many are just hideous and garish pieces of garbage. But "in matters of taste, the customer is always right".

doctorpangloss • yesterday at 3:14 PM

"AI dOeSn'T hAvE tAsTe, ur j0b iS sAfE"

Meanwhile, making products for the tasteless: $$$

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mulanroo • last Thursday at 7:36 AM

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