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alsetmusic • today at 2:44 AM • 1 reply • view on HN

I ride BART. I'm two blocks from a busy transfer station. It's great for going to a show and getting home without driving (drunk).

Arguing that modern fare gates lowered crime is a pretty terrible response to the comment to which you responded. It shows a real lack of articulation ("crime bad, crime down here, therefore I don't need to refute what you said").

The original poster said:

> The guy that committed that murder wasn't going to be deterred by a ticket fee.

I don't see how lower crime on BART due to fewer people hopping the turnstiles refutes that at all. (Huh, I just learned turnstiles is spelled with an I and not a Y. At least your comment led to me learning something.) It just seems defeatist, which is what the people looting this country want.


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bretthoerner • today at 5:03 AM

> "crime bad, crime down here, therefore I don't need to refute what you said"

You're literally making up entire sentences, are you OK?

> The original poster said:

>> The guy that committed that murder wasn't going to be deterred by a ticket fee.

> I don't see how lower crime on BART...

Maybe you didn't read the link, but it's a 67% reduction in crimes against _riders_. Not property, not soliciting, but crimes against other humans.

The murderer in question was unemployed, homeless and aimlessly riding public transit. We (as a society) should have done a lot more for him, but (see stats above) it seems clear to me that making it easier to be in a confined space with the rest of society wasn't solving his problems and certainly didn't help her.