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SoftTalker • yesterday at 8:57 PM • 5 replies • view on HN

Why are we so willingly ceding one of the few widely used free and open protocols to a handful of $mega-billion providers?

Experience shows that the walls will get taller and the moats will get deeper.


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cromka • today at 8:32 AM

The irony is that if more people started to self host again, especially jogger companies, the problem like one exemplified by this post would be solved quickly.

cheschire • yesterday at 9:02 PM

Because the noise is so loud now that people are basically just coping with the stresses of work life by taking the easy path in the home life.

idiotsecant • yesterday at 9:19 PM

Because the protocol is flawed at its foundation - there is no good way to make sure that the person sending you something is a person and sending content you'd want to interact with. If the big providers weren't doing this stuff, we'd whine about the enormous amount of spam.

The solution is allow only communications that are demonstrably not spam and not unwanted.

There have been lots of proposals to this effect but maybe you have to put up two cents in a crypto wallet, which the other person can claim if the mail is unwanted. If someone takes your two cents, you remove them from your lists ASAP. The receiver doesn't benefit meaningfully from the 2c so they are unlikely to claim it. The sender is only damaged if a lot of different people claim the 2 cents. Maybe a few domains are default whitelisted even if they don't put up 2 cents, to protect against entities that are important but would be frequently spite-claimed (IRS, courts, and other similar). If you use a provider that doesn't whitelist, fine, but you're going to miss those emails.

Maybe the top 'spite claim' users are published and it becomes difficult to get people to agree to put up money to talk to you.

This reduces spam to the level of junk mail, which is still not totally trivial but is orders of magnitude more manageable.

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waterTanuki • today at 8:57 AM

why do we cling on to the email protocol at all?

We have dozens of different ways to send E2EE messages to each other, with realtime publish-subscribe, and yet billions of dollars are spent trying to duct tape email. Who cares if Outlook/Gmail/Icloud use IMAP or Websocket? If the interface looks the same to the end user will they really care?

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lakeviewterrace • today at 2:53 AM

A web forum's users, who love nothing more than using the "flag" button to stomp out comments they don't like, are indignant upon discovering the world's third largest email provider has a "flag" button of their own.

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