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jeremyjh • yesterday at 10:29 PM • 16 replies • view on HN

I don’t think it’s hard to understand why an airline would get tired of getting more refund requests and customer service escalations for refusal of same according to agreed upon terms by entitled jerks who don’t want to accept the consequences of the decisions their ShitClaw made on their behalf.

Sure, the airline may not notice when it happens but it can cut those processes short when they have a full ban.


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awongh • today at 12:00 AM

When a company like Delta is on record using AI to set each individual shopper's price as high as possible [1], there's no longer any illusion about having a fair exchange of value, or an idea about who's behaving badly or not.

[1] https://mashable.com/article/airlines-set-prices-artificial-...

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noslenwerdna • today at 1:01 PM

I think it's clear what they mean is that they want the airlines to sell their tickets without trying to modify our behavior. At least, that's what I got from their comment. Simply sell the tickets for what they are worth to the airline without offering deals to people based on their inferred profile.

radicaldreamer • yesterday at 10:32 PM

In California, you have 24 hours to cancel any booking. The fact that United makes it hard to do so is a choice they’ve made.

They should meet the customer where they are instead of being antagonistic to their customer by default

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ericd • today at 12:07 AM

This ignores all the ridiculous games these companies have played, abusing the asymmetries between them and consumers every which way to extract as much as possible. And now they have the temerity to try to control what tools we use on our end to interact with their sites.

I seriously doubt that this is driven by any actual abuse, it seems much more likely that they’re unhappy that it’s harder to rely on limited user patience/attention/etc to make more money.

InsidiousWombat • today at 1:01 AM

Yeah, it's not that. They don't want to have users automatically shop for the cheapest flight using LLM

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jdcasale • today at 4:28 AM

Yeah I think this is mostly CYA for the airline so they can point at some sort of artifact during a dispute and say "Look, you used an agent and violated ToS. No refund, end of discussion, close ticket."

cndg • today at 3:47 AM

Half right I think. It's the legit agents making efficient use of features which formerly were not costing the airline (on account of being used only rarely) and are now benefiting the travellers (because the agents know how to use them) that seem to be the cause here.

jkukul • today at 1:31 AM

Then just make it super easy to do refunds, ideally so that an agent can do it!

brookst • today at 6:06 AM

Sure, it’s just like banning EA’s from booking flights on behalf of executives. Those certainly have more cancellations and customer service headaches than infrequent fliers.

What could possibly go wrong, rejecting bookings from people busy enough to want help woth mundane stuff like this?

FL410 • yesterday at 11:05 PM

I shed no tears. Slowly the balance is shifting back towards fair. Wanna make me sit through 5 minutes of navigating your bullshit AI IVR before I talk to your bullshit AI assistant before I talk to someone who can actually help? Great, I'll delegate that to my AI also.

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antihero • today at 12:02 PM

Ownership class using AI to get wealthier = good, anyone else using it to try and get fucked a little bit less in this shitshow we call capitalism = bad.

bozhark • today at 1:19 AM

If they can automate the denials we can automate the requests

seviu • today at 7:18 AM

Not only that, getting through support it’s nearby impossible for a regular human being, and it costs a lot of time.

I am at a point where whenever I have to deal with any online booking website, call it support or booking, I rather spin off an agent and spare me the pain.

The added satisfaction of fighting their claw with my claw adds some degree of satisfaction to it.

It’s not only about price, but also about my own mental sanity.

dzhiurgis • today at 9:18 AM

I'd trust ShitClaw to make less mistakes than me at this point, especially on something fucked up as booking flights.

theseamusjames • yesterday at 11:47 PM

Is it that, or is it that the agents don't sign up for all of the bullshit tricks they use, such as how it looks like you have to pay for an assigned seat when you can book a less desirable part of the plane for free? Agent won't fall for it, whereas some not inconsequential number of people do. Also, it'll destroy their AB test results.

thewillowcat • today at 12:47 AM

United is not claiming that the reason for the ban is an increase in refund requests. Nor would they have to provide a full refund in any event, unless the ticket permitted, in which case they have little cause for complaint.

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